Showing posts with label Patterico’s Pontifications. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Patterico’s Pontifications. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 26, 2012

In Reply: It ain't about left v right... It's about right v wrong. (#Kimberlin, Patterico's Pontifications)

In reply to: Patterico's Pontifications ~ Aaron Walker SWATted
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"The part that sickens me is that if lefties were getting SWATted, fringe right people would say the same kind of crap. We’ve reached the point where many don’t even see political opponents as people."

Amen, Patterico.

Many folks have talked about these issues for what they are; the badass nasty dangerous tactics of some pretty awful (and likely not quite sane) people, and in the case of Aaron especially, attacks on free speech. (To be honest, I've spent alot more time following and commenting about Aaron's situation because there was a clearly identified villan and the whole thing was much easier to understand. The rest is pretty speculative, with shadowy characters that all sound a little too Truther/Birther conspiratorial to get a handle on...)

For too many others though, the whole thing has become a convenient way to attack the left, which makes it that much harder for libs to stand up for free speech and no threats, SWATting, or lawfare for all. Anon--who writes in an awful familiar tone, btw--is just one example of the kind of attacks we on the left face when talking about this. Anytime folks try to talk about these attacks in a non-partisan way--or God / FSM / heaven forbid, actually say these are NOT left vs right, lib vs con issues--there is some pretty intense pushback, including from some of the more involved players (My most recent run-in was with Lee Stranahan, who jumped into a Twitter conversation stream between Liberty_chick and I, just to assert that we were wrong, and it IS a left vs right issue.)

Partisanship has it's place, but not when people are having armed units sent to their houses and having their free speech rights curtailed. Those who insist on making these attacks on (mostly) rightwing bloggers into examples of just what all eeeeevil commie-nihilist liberal leftists are like... ...Well, all I can say is, you may be helping your cause, but that cause isn't justice for the folks who've been SWATted or sued by these dangerous individuals. Far be it for some crazy lib like me to tell you what to do here... ...but if you're making this a referendum on liberals, instead of a war for free speech and safe congress for all of us, you really ought to rethink what you're doing, and why. (Don't listen to me if you suspect my motives or my sincerity are not up to your exacting standards; instead, listen to the many voices on your own side of the partisan fence preaching from the same gospel as I am. It ain't about left v right... It's about right v wrong.)

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No one, no matter their politics, deserves to have the police sent to their house under false pretenses, period.

No one, no matter their politics, deserves to be threatened with acts of violence to themselves or their families, or acts of vandalism to their property, period.

No one, no matter their politics, deserves to be repeatedly dragged into court under false or frivolous pretenses in an effort to keep them quiet, period. (...though here, I blame the legal system almost as much as the serial litigants themselves. Anti-SLAPP laws and a more informed judiciary would go a long way, here.)

I don't think I could be any more clear as to where I stand, but if I was the slightest bit vague, I'll do what I can to clarify... (FWIW, I got SEK's initial comment, eventually... but it took several readings to figure out his meaning and intent in posting what he did. I have faith that his blog post will be far more clear.)
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Posted 6/26/2012 @ 1:29 am PP blog time.

Monday, August 03, 2009

Roundup and Commentary - 8/2/09

Commentary:

"...believe that those pushing the “Elizabeth Gates is an uppity so-n-so,” because she commented on the fact that Crowley’s daughter, like pretty much every mid-teen girl before her–including Ms Gates, herself–doesn’t have a deft hand in applying makeup, have entirely too much time on their hands, and a partisan ax to grind, besides…": Patterico’s Pontifications - Best Caption Ever

I'm pretty sure that none of that will do a thing to convince you--& that's fine by me, because I'm one of those who think birfers taint everyone on the Right with the crackpot label, and the more you folks speak out, the better it is for the rest of us--but I did want you to see what the non-birfer Right is saying.: American Power: Did Obama's Secret Service Draw Guns on Conservative Protesters?

Sorry Riehl... The comedy stylings of Milbank & Cilliza are way funnier than Treacher. And as comedians, Milbank & Cilliza suck...: Riehl World View: Biden Clarifies Earlier Remarks

That, on the other hand, was very funny. And a little creepy.: Riehl World View: Sarah Palin: Anatomy Of A Smear ("That" turned out to be a lipless McCain post, though the link went to Hot Air, and I didn't notice the authorship till much later in the day.)

"Everyone ought to hate the fact that these (& other) corporations control the content of news divisions at the media holdings they own. Rupert is telling Billo, Sean, & the rest of the spokesboys & babes in his employ that they cannot criticize MSNBC or GE, because he shook hands with his new buddy, Jeff Immelt, and made a deal... ...and you don't have a problem with that?!?":
American Power: Glenn Greenwald Confirms 'Win' for O'Reilly Factor

"It [a link to another stupid person pushing the same rumor] doesn't absolve you of the fact that you whine about Palin rumors, and in the same post, spread Obama rumors. You puff up all moralistic, and then become the very slime you claim to decry. And as a bonus, you use softcore porn, found on the internet, to do it. How very 'nihilist' of you...":
American Nihilist: Donald Douglas @ American Power Whines About Palin Divorce Rumors; Links to Naked Pix Rumored To Be Obama's Mom

"It isn't just the porn angle... It's spreading what amounts to unsubstantiated gossip about people, for partisan gain. Sure it's titillating to imagine that Sarah and the Dude are splitting up, or to spread rumors about Obama's dead mother, but whether or not they are, and whether or not she did, it's hurtful to the people involved and to their families, and true or not, it didn't, doesn't, and likely never will have any impact on them politically, or on the American people in any way.":
Le.gal In.sur.rec.tion: Don't Link To Nude Photos of Obama's Mother

"The point isn't whether one rumor is worse than the other. It's whether or not one believes that spreading fucked up rumors is wrong, and whether, like you, the answer to that question hinges on whether the rumor hurts friend or foe.":
American Nihilist: Donald Douglas @ American Power Whines About Palin Divorce Rumors; Links to Naked Pix Rumored To Be Obama's Mom

"The point isn't whether one rumor is more 'unseemly' than the other. It's whether or not one believes that spreading rumors to hurt folks is wrong, period, or whether the answer to that question hinges on whether the rumor hurts friend or foe.":
Piece of Work In Progress: Obama's Mom Nude Photos [UPDATED]

If anyone can authenticate that those pix really are of Obama's mom (and from what I hear, they've had almost a year to do so, already) the people involved are speaking truth. Until then, they're spreading rumors, just like the AK bloggers "reporting" that Sarah & the Dude are going their separate ways...:
Piece of Work In Progress: Obama's Mom Nude Photos [UPDATED] (And, should the Palin's d-i-v-o-r-c-e anytime in the near future, ...)

"The hypocrisy of spreading rumors about Obama’s family in the very same post where you decry folks spreading rumors about Palin’s family is par for the course for these assholes… But “family values” conservatives posting and passing around links to (vintage) softcore porn pictures like old guys at a stag party? WhoDaThunkIt?": TBogg - The return of No Woman, No Fap

Oh Ciolko... (my love will turn you on) I'm sure you're right, and the Secret Service is slackin' off these days, cause that's what they do. It's not like they're dedicated professionals or anything. Day workers, that's what they are... Just Obama hatin' fools. Teabaggers, really. (Just be careful... I hear rumors that you're wrong, and they're actually Obama's private FEMA Camp army, and they're lookin' to round you sheepdogs up. (or kill you.) ((or some such thing.)): American Power: Did Obama's Secret Service Draw Guns on Conservative Protesters?

"You misunderstand... The coverage itself isn't the exploitation... In a video peeping tom case though, the video is. While I do think it was overkill, I don't object to all 10-12 of his posts about 'naked Erin Andrews nude'... I only object to the one with the link to the video, and only because it contained the link to the video.":
Piece of Work In Progress: Obama's Mom Nude Photos [UPDATED]

Ephemera:

"Wow, it's like they can't abide a somewhat upbeat ending to this incident. There's Crowley, who may have gained a newfound respect for the scholar Gates, helping him down the stairs, and Gates, having perhaps gained a slightly diffent take on the incident from Crowley's point of view, apologies for hotheadedness all around, as we all bask in the warm glow of a President taking the time to help smooth a wrinkle in race relations on a personal level, and goddammit, they JUST WON'T HAVE IT!"

Chris is dead on. They saw an opportunity to have Crowley be the new Joe The Plumber and in their excitement, forgot to see if he was interested first.

It turns out (at least so far) he's not and, once again, THEY'VE BEEN STABBED IN THE BACK!!!

To quote Chief Grady, "Desperation is a stinky cologne."
Michael Harrington August 2, 2009 - 3:16:15 AM EDT | #Michael Harrington August 2, 2009 - 3:16:15 AM EDT
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Who are the acorn people?
Fetal oak people. In a nutshell.
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"Birthers, Birchers, Teabaggers and Palin worshipers. Man I never thought the Presidency could be this easy."
- Comment by spart — 8/2/2009 @ 8:27 am
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